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30. Controversial Compromise W/ Jamie Richards

[00:00:00] Hugh Sifu: All right, welcome back to Thoughts of a Random Citizen, everybody, I'm your host as always, Hugh Sifu. Today, I'm quite excited for you all to have the opportunity to listen to what was an old podcast with me and an excellent gentleman by the name of Jamie Richards. It was an attempt at a podcast quite a while ago, and unfortunately, after we had recorded a few episodes, both of us were quite busy in our individual lives and living on different parts of a large continent and eventually moving in different continents. We were not able to continue the podcast series.

However, with his permission, I have gotten the okay to release them periodically on this podcast for you all as well as, hopefully, getting him to periodically make guest appearances on this show. As you know, this show is a bit about everything, an odd take on history, politics, philosophy, investing, entrepreneurship, innovation, travel. Really, it's just about whatever the hell we want it to be about.

If you guys have comments or questions or want to make a recording, head to and record your question, or feel free to email me at I will be sure to answer it on this show. I'm excited to not have a specific episode about something so deep and maybe give you guys a break for a piss-take if you will. For those of you who don't know what a piss-take is, it's where you just take a piss, you have fun with it, you have some drinks, chill out, relax, don't take anything too seriously.

That's what me and Jamie's mindset was on, what you'll find out soon was called Controversial Compromise. Pretty much it's-- well, you know what, I'll let you guys listen to it. If you don't enjoy the episode, don't worry, I'll get back to it next week. Just know that it is going to be an episode more designed. It does have a base theme, but it's more designed just to make you guys laugh, have a good time, and maybe get you excited for the weekend.

We do drink on it. You'll hear the bottles slamming on the tables. It's an unedited, unabridged version of the podcast. Oh, and it is my first and I believe Jamie's first-ever podcast ever recorded. It's a bit rough around the edges but it makes us laugh and I just wanted to give you guys the opportunity to have an episode on Thoughts of a Random Citizen that's a bit more lighthearted and funny and with a host that hopefully, you'll become familiar with over the future.

Without further ado, hopefully, you guys enjoy this episode, and yes, here it is.


[00:03:35] Jamie: Well, that was already backwards but I think I'm just going to be on this podcast, guys, I'd say.

[00:03:41] Hugh: All right, Jamie. Welcome to Controversial Compromise.

[00:03:46] Jamie: That's great. You're welcoming me onto my own show. That's brilliant. Thanks. Am I a guest or a co-host?

[00:03:52] Hugh: You are the co-host of this podcast.

[00:03:54] Jamie: Cool. Beautiful.

[00:03:58] Hugh: Quite exciting. Quite exciting. I do appreciate how I already screwed up the Controversial Compromise, but it is a tongue twister.

[00:04:07] Jamie: We'll just say it 10 times faster and have some fun with it.

[00:04:09] Hugh: Exactly, exactly. Anyway, starting us off, the point of this podcast is to bring together viewpoints that most people absolutely disagree on. You actually had some pre-workout before this. I remember seeing that in the free meeting we were having. That was great.

[00:04:32] Jamie: It's definitely kicking in now, shaking a little bit. It was—did a little mixing of water.

[00:04:35] Hugh: I can see that. That's good. I couldn't have had a better pre-workout, if you will, movie in the social dilemma to just show how divisive social media can be. We'll get into that in a different episode. The point of this podcast is to really show that most people don't want to fight really, we really want to be friends. You go around the world and especially mean your lives that we live as travelers we really see that on most places, although it might be promoted on social media, or even your country itself as dangerous, bad places, they're not.

People are lovely, everything's lovely, so that's what we're here to do, is to hopefully give you a different perspective to your typical Friday, [chuckles] if you will. Jamie, if you just want to introduce yourself, man, kick us off.

[00:05:39] Jamie: Fantastic. Thank you very much. I'm Jamie. Absolute pleasure, guys. I'm the one from New Zealand, and I'm obviously the one [laughs]. I've been traveling for the last eight years, and like what you said, it is a pretty messed up world, unfortunately, but there's so much love in it. The way you people are going, we're going into a new earth as well, which is a beautiful thing, and we just want to put a new spin on everything, have some fun, be down to earth.

We're the same as everyone else, so we're just going to go with the flow, and hopefully, you'll tune in, have a good laugh with us, learn something, we can play around, and hopefully, we'll all catch up for beers eventually, it'll be beautiful.

[00:06:23] Hugh: Exactly, yes. We're going to release this on Fridays, as you guys will soon find out. The point is whether you're going to work, coming from work, or just don't do anything on a Friday like sometimes we do. It's actually Friday right now that we're recording this now that I think about it.

[00:06:40] Jamie: Is it? Oh, shit.

[00:06:41] Hugh: Kick back, have a beer, enjoy the talk, and maybe it'll give you a conversation starter later on to the weekend. A little bit about myself really quick before we really dive into it. I graduated from K State with a degree in entrepreneurship and emphasis in accounting, did not want to go into the corporate world because it just sounded terrible. Started a real estate company for a bit, didn't do a whole lot with it, ended up traveling pretty extensively after that, and I've been traveling for about three years now.

Then I met my amazing co-host over here in Darwin, as he was the head chef and I was the restaurant manager. Don't know how we even got to this point at that point, but yes, it was pretty good, man.

[00:07:32] Jamie: There's definitely a certain person that decided to put us in charge for some silly reason, but it was absolutely beautiful because I'd actually just come back from Bali when we first met.

[00:07:42] Hugh: Yes, that's right. you'd just come back.

[00:07:45] Jamie: More travel. More travel.

[00:07:45] Hugh: Yes. It was beautiful. I'm pretty sure you were drunk too.

[00:07:50] Jamie: Was I working because that sounds about right.

[00:07:52] Hugh: Yes.

[00:07:54] Jamie: Oh my God. Darwin was crazy. Had a beautiful time.

[00:07:59] Hugh: If you want to kick us off, Jamie, what are we talking about today, buddy?

[00:08:03] Jamie: That is the question, isn't it? What do you want to talk about today? That's the thing. Today, we are going to be talking about global warming. It's a giant issue in the world today, and a lot of people were saying, "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh." I'm sorry.

[00:08:22] Hugh: Ooh, I'm sorry.

[00:08:24] Jamie: It's all right, that's American, so just typical alpha male number one freedom. He likes to say he's Canadian, but we'll get to that later.

[00:08:34] Hugh: It makes people like you more.

[00:08:36] Jamie: Being Canadian? That's silly. Then again, I think California is a pretty-- Oh, you're not Californian, are you? You're here from Mississippi.

[00:08:40] Hugh: No.

[00:08:41] Jamie: A little redneck state.

[00:08:41] Hugh: Mississippi, what? Missouri, Mississippi, Michigan, Minnesota.

[00:08:48] Jamie: One of the things that starts with M, pretty great that you prayed on. We're going to be talking about global warming and how it affects everyone, our daily lives, and the fact that I know between me and-- that it is a real thing, obviously. There's a lot of people out there and a lot of very powerful, rich people that are definitely saying that it's not, and it's just a whole bunch of malarkey. It's quite sad, really.

[00:09:19] Hugh: Yes, it's an issue there. Where I come from, in my upbringing, I was never really one way or the other. Obviously, you hear both sides, and it's one of those things that you're either like, "Oh, it's absolute BS because the earth goes in cycles," or you're like, "Oh, no, there's absolutely pollution in the air that's causing climate change." I think the main part of this is, again, the show is called Controversial Compromise. We're not here to stake something in the ground to split people apart, we're here to bring people together.

We're here for you to realize that while there are two divisive sides on this, we have the technology to create a world that will bring people together. We have the technology to create a world that is filled with clean energy. We also absolutely know for a fact that while, it might not be creating this global warming, whether it is or isn't you can talk about that all you want. We know that it's not great, we know that it's not going to be beneficial to our children, so why not go about changing those things? In my personal opinion is because oil companies suck, [laughs] honestly.

[00:10:47] Jamie: Yes, look at all the damage it does, look at all the oil tankers that have blown up or just spilled all through the oceans or just releasing the pollution into the air. The thing is, they possibly could put a lot of money back into charities or they say they're funding different places to help climate change, but at the same time, they're doing so much damage, and 75% of our world is made up of the ocean. The ocean itself, as it traps in all of the heat, and then that starts warming it up. So imagine if you're having a nice bath, just really relaxing all of a sudden, and you just start cooking for no reason. That's pretty much what's happening. A fish, I have to go to the North Pole now and see the tropical Island of Hawaii. [laughs]

[00:11:36] Hugh: Yes, 100% man. The bath is nice too when it gets a little warm it turns into a hot tub but then there's a point where you need to get out. You know what I'm saying?

[00:11:46] Jamie: It's very true. Would you have bubbles? I like bubbles.

[00:11:51] Hugh: Yes, they're bad for the hot tub jets though, man, break the hot tub, so no bubbles on this- [crosstalk]

[00:12:00] Jamie: Exactly. We got global warming is the bubble.

[00:12:03] Hugh: No, but anyways so one of the proposed solutions and that's the main point of this episode is I want to float out the idea and hopefully get more people talking about it is essentially a world grid of solar, wind, hydro-energy. It's completely renewable and it's actually pretty feasible. Yes, there's going to be a bunch of people who say, "Oh, it's not possible but it's absolutely possible."

India is already trying to do it in the Euro Asian area but then obviously, there are talks of how it's like-- and then politics get involved essentially. Asia's already saying that they don't want it because then there's certain taxes and all this crap and I absolutely freaking hate that because it's like if we can create a world power source that is 100% renewable, why the hell not just do it?

That's one thing that the world will not have to worry about it. Yes, they're saying it'll take jobs away from oil riggers and all this but it'll also create a bunch of jobs for maintenance and it's going to take God knows how long to build that across the fricking world, you know what I mean?

[00:13:23] Jamie: It's going to help us as well that's the point. Everyone's complaining about these taxes or how much is it going to cost and when you generally think about, money it's not real. It is something we made up to pass through each other to create a system. People in the government or the oil, we're all humans, we're all the exact same species trying to get on top of each other, trying to alpha male each other for some paper that if we put it in the wash, it's gone. If you're American because you still have paper money which makes absolutely no sense.

[00:13:56] Hugh: Okay, let me just stop you right there, bud. I'm putting my dollar bills in the wash quite a few times. It's like this paper stuff but it doesn't dissolve in the wash okay. That's just false.

[00:14:10] Jamie: So do you have to lay it down and dry it off?

[00:14:12] Hugh: It's not as efficient as Australian dollars. It's a little bit wet but it's fine it's not broken it's not ripped. You just got dry it out bit.

[00:14:23] Jamie: Why would you have dollar bills? How frustrating is that? When I was in California--

[00:14:28] Hugh: [laughs] Why don't we just give everything no dollars and have phone taps. That's what we're doing. Fuck making plastic dollar bills we just use freaking phone taps.

[00:14:40] Jamie: Why don't we just implant ourselves and go, "Ding, ding."

[00:14:43] Hugh: Anyways, no, we're starting from the point that I'm trying to talk which you made a really good point earlier is that you're saying that it's just money is this fake thing, but that's exactly true. That's what the US government is doing right now. They're just printing out loads of money. Obviously, that's not how that works and there's a bunch of repercussions and all this behind it, but it's like, instead of--

[00:15:09] Jamie: Essentially it's what happened in Germany, isn't it? They printed too much money, it lost its value and then there was flying cut to it.

[00:15:15] Hugh: Yes, it's happened around the world, but then at the same time that brings up the argument money it's not backed by anything. It's a fiat currency. It's backed by nothing. You know what I mean?

[00:15:30] Jamie: Exactly.

[00:15:33] Hugh: Literally 5% of the world's money is in cash. The other 95% is online and made up of--

[00:15:41] Jamie: What?

[00:15:42] Hugh: Yes, it's only 5% that's actually floating around. Everything else is online or through the computer systems, on the internet, through the dark web, the whole nine yards. I mean, if technology crashes, money doesn't really exist anymore.

[00:15:57] Jamie: Unless you are part of the 5%, who has a shit ton of just cash under your bed, and you're golden baby.

[00:16:02] Hugh: Exactly, you know, drug dealers? I think they might be doing something right.

[00:16:06] Jamie: Oh, they're already taking over the world baby.

[00:16:10] Hugh: Back to the solar farms, on what you're saying, obviously, we started talking about money and everything if we all just got together and built renewable energy, where we laughing. We should go back to living how we used to live off the land.

[00:16:24] Jamie: That's just one thing. I was reading this article, and we can post it in the show notes, I'd recommend looking at it. I didn't even know that this was an idea floated out by any government if I'm being honest. I thought it was just an idea I had one day, and I'm actually working at a-- so another backstory I'm backpacking through Australia at the moment on a working holiday visa. So I've been just doing random jobs here and there and I'm currently working at a power site in Broome. Essentially what they do is produce all the power and literally 24 hours a day they have diesel fuel engines constantly running, just throwing gas up into the atmosphere 24 hours a day.

[00:17:14] Jamie: Twenty-four hours?

[00:17:15] Hugh: Oh, dude, yes, 100% of the time, it is always going and it's massive. I don't even know, 20 feet by 50 feet engines, massive engines that are just producing fuel all day. It's like if 20 cars were just sitting there running all day, with the full-throttle just going all the way down. You have to put in earplugs to walk inside these engines. Broome's a town of 13,000 people granted. Well, actually, this is their down season, which is their tourist season but then in summer, when it's their full season, they're running about 17 engines full time.

So anyways, I was learning a lot about all of this stuff, which is why I wanted to start about this global warming topic right off the bat. They literally just waste all this stuff and they're talking about maybe going to a cleaner energy of batteries and hydrogen and all this stuff. Essentially, they're just trying to figure out other ways to do this but there's no technology caught up and I'm like, "What do you mean there's no technology caught up? Are you telling me that in a place like Broome that's sunny all the time, we couldn't have solar panels on houses that give enough energy for the house to last the day and night? I just don't understand it and it just infuriates me and it just opened my eyes to how much pollution we really create and that's a town of 13,000."

[00:18:56] Jamie: That's just one little spot on the earth. It's not even like going through throughout the giant cities or giant complexes of just nonstop running building that all they do is pump death into the air. Imagine if you put your face into that it's not nice is it? You're not going to be able to breathe. "Oh my God," I mean everyone loves a good hotdog but that's going to be it. Jesus Christ.

[00:19:19] Hugh: That's not enjoyable. That's a drug that I'm a fan of right? I just like to think about how obviously cars are really bad emissions and yes, there's 13,000 cars running around a few times a day doing that as well. But I mean--

[00:19:38] Jamie: Even changing to electric cars now as well aren't they? I mean, we have the technology and still every year millions of gas cars are being created. It's like what? Why?

[00:19:53] Hugh: America, muscle cars. Big fucking trucks.


[00:20:01] Hugh: I get it. You can joke about it and-- I always hate this issue because I think that it's super freakin annoying. People always freak out about it. It's just like, all right guys, just first off, chill. Second off, this is something that is an issue that we can-- I don't know why we don't just come to the table and sit down and just have a normal conversation about it? I think it's because, instead of going and saying, "Hey, so the earth does go in cycles, and we're probably heating it up a bit, and it's probably not really healthy," they pump this fear-mongering into normal people's lives that are like, "Hey, there's this global warming and we need to do something about it now or we're all dead."

It's like, "All right, I get that that's kind of how to create change," but that's not good because then there are the realists who are like, "Okay, the earth goes in cycles. This is just--" if you would have just come and said facts instead of trying to fearmonger people, then we might be a bit further down the road, but that's just the way that change has always been implemented for the past, ever. I think that there's a new way that we should probably go about trying to implement change.

I think that it should be a fact-based system, because people, through and through, like facts. They believe as long as you show them facts. I guess I can say that, but then you think about the freaking people who think global warming is just a hoax. Then it's like, dude who freaking knows, man? I'll drink to that.

[00:21:45] Jamie: I'll drink to that as well. Cheers. With global warming, we have known about it. The first documented, where it all started coming from is the 1950s. We started learning about global warming in 1950, which if you think about it, is 70 years ago. They also said, back then, we'll be working on the moon, but that hasn't happened yet. The thing is, the fact what we've known about it for-

[00:22:11] Hugh: We've walked on the moon. What?

[00:22:14] Jamie: We've walked on the moon, yes, but back in the 1950s, they said we'd be working.

[00:22:19] Hugh: Oh, working. Sorry. That's the freaking Kiwi in you, man. Sorry about that.

[00:22:22] Jamie: That's great. Having a taco bell, like serving tacos floating into the Jetsons space cars and that. That would be absolutely fantastic. Imagine that, "I'm just taking a road trip down to Margaret Rivers. I'm just shooting to the moon, but I'll be back in a few days."

[00:22:37] Hugh: It's just going to be a weekend trip with the girl. I'll bring you back a moon, bro. I don't know what that's going to do here, but whatever.

[00:22:46] Jamie: It just drops. That did levitate when I saw it. I'm sorry. I was cool with it.

[00:22:54] Hugh: Wait. Side note, speaking about the moon, they were talking about mining the moon. Did you hear about this? There's a-

[00:22:59] Jamie: What are we going to mine up there?

[00:23:00] Hugh: I don't know. China's creating this race to mine the moon. Then Trump is like, "Oh, I'm going to mine the moon before you right now." It's like, "All right, fair is fair, I guess."

[00:23:11] Jamie: It's just like their whole space race game with America versus Russia. As soon as someone wants to do something, America is like, "I'm going to win."

[00:23:18] Hugh: 100% dude. Well, America don't lose, right? Unless you're talking about Vietnam or the war of 1812 or really anything after the revolution.

[00:23:26] Jamie: Yes. Exactly. Even in your schools, the White House got burned down in 1812 by Canadians.

[00:23:35] Hugh: You shut the fuck up. We built it better. Okay? You shut the-- you don't talk about the White House.

[00:23:40] Jamie: You built a bunker to go hide. Great job there. We're really proud of you.

[00:23:44] Hugh: I don't know why we didn't move it more to the middle of the earth or middle of the continent, not the earth. Why keep it right on the very edge?

[00:23:52] Jamie: Of course. Oh, yes. America's is center of the earth.

[00:23:55] Hugh: I don't know.

[00:23:56] Jamie: That's true, it's just right on the equator.

[00:23:59] Hugh: Actually, I probably know why. Because in 1812, it wasn't very developed over there. That's probably why. Anyways-

[00:24:05] Jamie: Neither were people. Now I've just completely lost my train of thought. I prayed it down just thinking about the moon and mining.

[00:24:14] Hugh: Obviously, there should definitely be a system that creates some kind of global grid. Because think about it, we go through space, and we have all these wind things and the sun exists. It creates-

[00:24:28] Jamie: That's really good.

[00:24:30] Hugh: Exactly. We have all these wind things, the sun exists. The energy that the earth produces every day is exponential to what we actually take. For us to not be able to utilize that energy, we have the technology to do that now. We should do that.

[00:24:48] Jamie: Well, the thing is, we can literally, if you think about it, we can shoot a magical beam from our phones up into a satellite and then back down to send it to someone else. With the sun and we can obviously harness this power. You're talking about, obviously, Broome being a really hot place, and up in the Pilbara is literally one of the hottest places in the world.

You have Africa, which is just hot, really fucking hot. If you can take something like technology and wire it through, you have fuel. You can then cast it. Why not build giant solar farm facilities in the desert that just completely soaks in all the rays, builds, builds, builds, and then we have a system where we can transport the power to villages, to cities, to everywhere in the world. I don't understand why. Then we're not worrying about fossil fuels or anything like that.

[00:25:39] Hugh: I totally agree with that. That's what I actually brought up with my work, because I actually said what's the issue? What's the reason that we can't transport it? A big thing that they're working right now on, like they are trying to do that, and they're trying to create batteries that are capable of containing that much power. Essentially, what my thought was, was instead of having a battery to where you transport it via car and then have a battery, why not just create a--. For example, again this is in regards to Broome, but you know Cable Beach in Broome? I'm assuming you've heard of it?

[00:26:17] Jamie: Oh, it's beautiful. Yes. That's where you ride all the camels.

[00:26:19] Hugh: Exactly. Cable Beach is called Cable Beach because, during World War II, they had a cable going from Broome to Indonesia, like a wire cable.

[00:26:32] Jamie: No way.

[00:26:32] Hugh: Yes. That's why it's called Cable Beach. That was during World War II. Then they can communicate during Wo